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[Steve519]

be sure NOT to download it, that’s right don’t get it. Do you wanna know why I’m telling you not to get it? Its because WE need to tell Microsoft that enough is enough. Enough of these retro rehashes, Enough nickel and dimeing us, Enough of it all. If my counting is correct we have had 4 that right 4 new games for us on the Xbox Arcade, 4 out of 31. Every single other game has been remakes. Our newest game to come out was Totem Ball (which was free and we all know why) and before that was Cloning Clyde. Every thing else has been old games ported over to the 360 with achievements and enhanced graphics put into it and those don’t make always make the game enjoyable. I have my beliefs why all these retro games are coming out, and for those of you I’ve talked to know what I think is the reason why, but I’m not going to say it here.

Remember way back when MS was telling us that the Xbox Arcade was going to be one of the difference makers in the next gen because it will allow us to get all these new games that smaller developers create but normally couldn’t get them out there because of the extremely high production costs for new games (Gears of War cost nearly 10 million to make), they were telling us that we (Xbox 360 gamers) would have this new place to go to try out all these new games and try new ip’s. But where are they? We have been told that developers are lining up to get there games to the Xbox Live Arcade, but again, where are they? Or are these retro games the games that the developers were lining up for?

This is why I urge you NOT to download DigDug or any other game until we see the Arcade Marketplace improve. This is the ONLY way that Microsoft will hear us and work on this situation

BTW, I own EVERY one of the Indie games on there, all 4.
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[racingfreak92]

Are you counting the indies released lately or since the begginig? Are you not counting MBU/Outpost kaloki cuz there sequels or are you bad at counting?

Ill be downloading digdug,the demo that is. They tried to push this piece of crap game on me on the oringal Xbox arcade.
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Head over to http://www.bowbender.net/forum/ and talk about oblivion

Lumines is amazing and you know it. Now stop complaing about the extra content and buy it already!

[Steve519]

I counted outpost, totemball, cloning clyde, and wik
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[racingfreak92]

Youre missing:

Marble Blast Ultra
Mutant Storm Reloded
Bankshot Billards 2
Feeding Frenzy
Hardwoos Series

and mabe Texas hold em
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Head over to http://www.bowbender.net/forum/ and talk about oblivion

Lumines is amazing and you know it. Now stop complaing about the extra content and buy it already!

[Steve519]

you listed a bunch of ports and remakes
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[racingfreak92]

There by indies though.
If you dont count sequels for arcade then why count them for real games?
Sure MBUltra or Muntant storm reloded are sequels but thats because they were good enough to deserve a sequel and were very unknown in the oringal XBLA
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Head over to http://www.bowbender.net/forum/ and talk about oblivion

Lumines is amazing and you know it. Now stop complaing about the extra content and buy it already!

[mik]

I'd count Geo Wars too.

The retro games keep coming because they're cheap and easy to port, and people buy them. People buy them because they like them. I don't see a problem here.

There are plenty of great, new games in the pipe--I can't wait for Small Arms, it looks sensational. That doesn't mean I don't also want access to UMK3 on my 360.
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[MrCarpalTunnel]

I think STEVE is taking a hard stance on this. I dont agree with a BOYCOT. It is after all LIVE's Marketplace. There are some who may find pleasure in playing the "re-releases". I for one had fun with a couple of them, but like most of the 360 games; my fun is lost quicker than a burger down Nicole Richies Stomache.

I think LIVE has really sucked at what the Marketplace could be. In the end however, they are there to make money, and most games including GEO WARS are by MS friendships. Just like the Texas Hold 'em fiasco. We got it free after all. But it cost us Camera-availability due to a conflict with another 360 title.

So buy and download if you must. Remember though. As Steve stated: Every dollar spent on crap is an endorsement of the crap they will continue to shovel out.
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I hope MS doesn't have much input on the production of HALO the MOVIE. If so we wont get the sound, in the theatre, unless we pay xtra for it at the ticket booth!

[Meldlm]

LOL....you guys are so cute with your moral stands against the great atrocities.

I'm positive that if you get all 14 people here to not download Dig-Dug, Jay Allard will be forced to set up peace talks.

[MrCarpalTunnel]

That Hurts, its actually 18 if you include the Staff. However J Allard, MS, 1Up, and others started the same as us. Small and ended up gaining momentum. What Steve is doing is starting a conversation about something he feels strong about. Xbox says they listen to the community: if its 14 (As you say-but your missing all the listeners who dont post) than at least we are being heard. After all YOU came in here.
Do you count yourself as small?
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I hope MS doesn't have much input on the production of HALO the MOVIE. If so we wont get the sound, in the theatre, unless we pay xtra for it at the ticket booth!

[Steve519]

thanks for your support on this carpal, glad to see that others are following.

I do think that we will see a lot more new ip's coming out this holiday season to lure people to by a 360 so my stance on this might be short lived but we do have MS employees that read what we say and listen to our show SO no matter how small the backing as long as there is one, the point will get across.
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[Meldlm]

[Steve519]

I'll quote what I said on gamerscoreblog:

"Dig Dug was announced i believe around a month ago, and I was looking forward to it, and I was going to buy it, just like I did with many other retro games, BUT due to what seems to be happening to the arcade and the direction it seems to be going, I won't be buying it now.

I know people say you don't have to buy it if you don't want to but I don't really think that is alway enough, you don't just start a movement by sitting on the sideline, you have to get the word and get others to back you up and this is what I'm trying to do.

I'm not saying that these games are bad, I enjoy these BUT I don't see this really helping the xbox out. All this does is tell developers that instead of making new games and investing time into new ideas that they just can port old games over, spend little time and effort and still bring in lots of money.

This is all why I'm trying to start the movement and to get MS to take notice, maybe start a ratio of 1 out of every 3 games is new instead of a ports, this still means they put out retro games just not at the current rate.

BTW, I do think that over the next few months (this holiday season) we will see a bunch of new games instead of ports coming to the arcade because I know of many games in the works. What would be nice though would be a xbox 360 arcade outlook with it showing when future games would be released, not dates I know thats to hard but maybe in months or quarters of expected release"

Oh as far as the midway arcade treasures you would get a little OVER 20 games for 20 dollars and if you put that in marketplace currency that would cost you over 100 dollars for the whole thing. So now do you see the problem with that?

Personally I would like to see a gametap type of xbox arcade where you can pay a monthy fee to have access to all the games, I think that would work well
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[Meldlm]

[mik]